From Divorce to Financial Freedom: FI at 45

What happens when the plan was “we”… and now it’s just “me”? At 45, Kayla reached Financial Independence solo after divorce, living in the Bay Area without a tech salary. In this episode of Two Sides of FI, she shares how she rebuilt her finances, overcame her fear of investing, and designed a plan that works without a partner’s income or support. In this episode, Learn how a saving mentality and discovering the FIRE community in her 30s led her to the realization that early retirement was within her reach and how she achieved it.


Show Notes

Essential Background:

Kayla mentioned a book as a key part of her FIRE and investing eduction: The Simple Path to Wealth (JL Collins). It is widely regarded by many in the FIRE community as the most impactful book to their own journey. This fast and easily digestible read is chock-full of investment guidance that you will understand immediately and can readily apply. There is no better starting point to your FIRE journey than this book.

How do you find advice-only planners? Below you’ll find two resources. Please note that Two Sides of FI has no relationship nor do we receive any compensation from either:

1) XY Planning Network: As described on the site, their member advisors ascribe to fiduciary and CFP standards, earn no commissions, and require no minimum assets. They have convenient filters to allow searching by advisor specialities, including those with FIRE experience. Many work under multiple fee models, including advice-only, which can be a good source for one-time consults without any

2) Cody Garrett, CFP and advice-only planner from Measure Twice Financial, shared this list in the past on Twitter. As he described it, “these 11 advisors provide comprehensive financial planning without any expectation, obligation, or even the option to manage client investments. Options for project-based, hourly, or ongoing.” You’ll note there is overlap between these resources, which makes sense. But this is the list Cody has shared with prospective clients, so one can presume there’s been some personal vetting.


Have you checked out the Two Sides of FI Discord server? If you’re not familiar, this is an instant messaging social network. Ours is meant to be a community for viewers of our show, as well as a space to discuss all things relation to FIRE. It’s totally open, free of charge, and is anonymous as you’d like. This makes it a safe space to talk about financial topics you might otherwise be sensitive about sharing. Come check it out and see if it fits your interests! There are both desktop and mobile apps available.

Did you know Jason resumed blogging? To be notified of his future posts, please consider subscribing here. He’s also archived his old blog, which documents the first two years after he retired from his career, which started even before Two Sides of FI began. Get more information on those archived posts here.


How We’re Using ProjectionLab in (Early) Retirement

Why has ProjectionLab quickly become one of the most popular early retirement planning tools? In this episode, learn why PL is an essential software package for both Eric and Jason. Topics covered include how to get started, best practices, and powerful new features. See the link underneath the video for how you can try ProjectionLab for free!

Show notes may be found below the video


Show Notes

For a free trial of ProjectionLab, use this link: https://twosidesoffi.com/pl

Essential Background:

  • As mentioned in this episode, both Jason and Eric use Karsten “Big ERN” Jeske’s Safe Withdrawal Rate Toolbox. For all the details of this essential tool, please see our page dedicated to the Safe Withdrawal Rate Toolbox. It has all the information you need including all the videos in our series, including walkthroughs of the tool and the CAPE-based strategy that Jason referenced here.
  • Will you have enough to money to retire (early or otherwise)? Achieving financial independence requires many key elements to be in place and special consideration if you plan to retire early. In Have Enough to Retire (Early)? 10 Steps to Make Sure, we discussed a great post by Fritz Gilbert about how to ensure that you’re financially prepared.

Just getting started with ProjectionLab and in need of a quick start guide? This series of videos by the team at PL is a great place to start. This will ensure you avoid some of the mistakes we made along the way! There are a lot of other helpful videos on their YouTube channel, as well. Lastly, you can also find great content on many topics in their Help Center.

Don’t miss the ProjectionLab Discord server! As we discussed in today’s episode, there’s a wealth of information here to be found given the very active user community. As you’ll discover, the PL team also has a strong presence on the server, ensuring great access to feedback, questions, and feature requests from the community.

Eric and I both found Rob Berger’s recent review of ProjectionLab to be a good introduction to some of the powerful features in the tool.


Have you checked out the Two Sides of FI Discord server? If you’re not familiar, this is an instant messaging social network. Ours is meant to be a community for viewers of our show, as well as a space to discuss all things relation to FIRE. It’s totally open, free of charge, and is anonymous as you’d like. This makes it a safe space to talk about financial topics you might otherwise be sensitive about sharing. Come check it out and see if it fits your interests! There are both desktop and mobile apps available.

Did you know Jason has a FIRE blog? To be notified of his future posts, please consider subscribing here. He’s also archived his old blog, which documents the first two years after he retired from his career, which started even before Two Sides of FI began. Get more information on those archived posts here.


You can find information on the tools we mention in each episode along with additional information in the Resources section of this site.

What No One Tells You About Purpose and Happiness in Retirement

Worried about finding purpose in retirement? Most people are, but in reality it’s easy to address these fears head-on. In this episode, Eric + Jason are joined by Jordan “Doc G” Grumet, a hospice doctor, podcaster, blogger, and author. Topics discussed include how regret can be motivating, putting excuses behind us, the reality of purpose anxiety, and much more. Irrespective of your own retirement journey, you won’t want to miss our conversation. See below for links to Doc G’s book as well as the show notes.

Show notes may be found below the video


Show Notes

To get your own copy of Jordan’s excellent book, “The Purpose Code: How to unlock meaning, maximize happiness, and leave a lasting legacy”, buy direct from his website or from Amazon. Here’s a book trailer for more information.

Essential Background:

  • As we mentioned in this episode, Jordan’s first appearance on Two Sides of FI was in 2022 in Will You Run Out of Money or Time? FI Advice From a Hospice Doctor. What can conversations with the dying teach us about the secret to financial independence? We talked about that and much more, as we dove into his book, The Purpose Code: How to unlock meaning, maximize happiness, and leave a lasting legacy.
  • How does it feel when you haven’t yet found your purpose after retiring early? In Retired Early and Feeling Lost. What’s Next?, Jason talked with Eric about his three year journey exploring his post-FIRE purpose. In this episode, they discuss the phases of retirement, seeking out meaningful projects, lessons learned along the way, and much more.
  • We’ve actually spoken to Doc G a few times! Our first chat was on Jordan’s own Earn and Invest podcast. Here’s a link to the episode, which was a really fun one for us and also represents the first time we were a guest on someone else’s show as Two Sides of FI! As you’ll find, Doc G is a very skilled interviewer. Did you ever think that everything will be okay once you are financially independent? In our conversation, we pushed back on this narrative.

Not familiar with hospice and want to learn more? This post from The Hospice Foundation of America is a great resource. Stated simply, hospice is medical care for people with an anticipated life expectancy of 6 months or less, when cure isn’t an option, and the focus shifts to symptom management and quality of life. The site is a wealth of information, including guidance on how to access hospice care and selecting hospice providers.

For links to all of Jordan’s content, including the Earn and Invest podcast and his DiverseFI blog, be sure to check out his website.


You can find information on the tools we mention in each episode along with additional information in the Resources section of this site.

Retiring (Early) in 5 Days. Am I Ready?

What’s it really like to be 5 days away from early retirement? Join Laura, a 51-year-old scientist, as she discusses her final days running her research lab. From wrestling with the “Am I really ready?” question to unexpected tears at faculty meetings to cleaning out decades of research, she opens up about the reality of choosing early retirement at the peak of her career. This isn’t just another FIRE success story – it’s a candid look at what it really feels like to step away from a meaningful career when you’re financially independent but emotionally invested.

Whether you’re questioning if early retirement is worth leaving a dream job, wrestling with your professional identity, or wondering how it feels when that last paycheck stops, her story offers inspiration and real-time insights about one of life’s biggest transitions.

Don’t miss the show notes below for key background including other conversations featuring Laura!

Show Notes

Laura + I want to thank the Two Sides of FI community for all your comments, personal messages, and words of encouragement as we’ve been navigating this transition. Thank you for being a part of our journey!

Essential Background:

  • Have you seen our other recent episodes with Laura? If not, you’ll definitely want to view:
    • The story begins with One Step Closer to FI/RE – Giving Notice. In this episode, Eric and Laura discuss their preparations as they near their FI number and Laura prepares to notify her employer that she’s leaving. Recorded in the fall of 2023, this behind-the-scenes discussion was prepared for publication the week Laura submitted her resignation notice.
    • Next we published Unexpected Reactions to My Early Retirement, Contempt, concern, surprise, envy, admiration, and support; just a few of the reactions Laura received when she announced she was retiring early, closing her biomedical research laboratory, and beginning a new phase of life beyond work. Some reactions were expected and some surprised her. In this episode, Eric and Laura unpack these interactions and chart their next steps as they prepare to leave work and step into early retirement.
    • Laura also took part in a very popular two-part series, Talking with our Spouses About FIRE: 2 x Two Sides of FI. In Part 1, Eric + Jason talk with Laura + Lorri about getting onboard with FIRE, financial topics including budgeting and setting the FI number, as well as the emotional aspects of choosing the FIRE path. In Part 2, they discuss how they share financial responsibilities, the importance of finding friend networks, talking to their children about FIRE, and their hopes for their post-FI lives.
  • Did you know that Laura and Eric recently achieved their FI goal? In Financial Independence at 50 (Finally!), Jason and Eric discuss the challenges of moving goalposts, the decision to keep running Eric’s business, 30×40 Design Workshop (on their own terms), and their plans for the future.
  • For more on the rules and practices Eric and Laura followed in order to reach their financial goals, see Our 80/20 Rules for Early Retirement: How We Did It. In this episode, Eric and Jason talk about their personal “80/20 Rules” for retiring early. That is, the decisions they made along the journey that served as key pivot points towards ensuring their achievement of financial independence.
  • A core element of Laura + Eric’s ability to achieve FI was Eric’s 30×40 Design Workshop business. If you haven’t seen our two-part series on the journey from zero to 90% income from passive sources, drop everything and check it out: Passive Income = A Path to Financial Independence (Part 1) and Lessons Learned in 7 Years Earning Passive Income – A Path to FI (Part 2). The link to Part 2 contains the show notes, which have a wealth of information provided by Eric. Don’t miss it!

How Options Trading Led this Engineer to Financial Independence in His 30s

How can a hobby turn into a second career and lead to financial independence before 40? In this episode, Jason talks with David Sun, an electrical engineer who stumbled into options trading after hearing about it from a fellow grad student. Only ten years later he launched his first hedge fund. Now in his mid-30s, David shares the keys to his success, as well as his thoughts on the role of options trading in a FIRE portfolio. Be sure to check out the show notes linked below for all the key resources shared in this conversation.


Show Notes

Are you completely new to options trading? The seemingly endless vocabulary can be a big barrier to entry for newcomers. Don’t miss our options glossary which you can find on the show notes page for Jason’s chat with Karsten. There’s a ton of useful information linked on that page so be sure to check it out.

A reminder that neither we at Two Sides or FI, nor David Sun, are providing individual investment advice. Each of us has our own circumstances, risk tolerance, and risk capacity. Options trading, while potentially lucrative, is also potentially risky given the regular use of leverage, and is therefore best suited for experienced investors. We strongly recommend the use of simulated or “paper trading” accounts (you can create one free at Interactive Brokers and Charles Schwab, among others) to learn and test strategies. You may also benefit from consultation with financial professionals.

Essential Background:

  • David and Jason talked about the latter’s earlier chat with Karsten Jeske regarding his SPX strategy. For more on this, you won’t want to miss “He Earned a Million Dollars Trading This Option Strategy”.
  • Among our most popular episodes to date were our chat with Karsten about his Safe Withdrawal Toolbox, and our own four-part series on how we use this essential retirement planning tool. You can find all of these and much more at our SWR landing page, including a link to Big ERN’s options posts.
  • David has also spoken with Karsten. Jason enjoyed this Trade Busters episode, titled “From FIRE to PCR w/Karsten Jeske aka Big ERN”. It’s an important element of understanding how Karsten’s own options trading strategy has evolved over time.

David Sun’s Trade Busters landing page is a great starting point to dive into all the valuable content he has produced. To contact him or request access to his Discord, you’ll want to head here. The Trade Busters podcast is also an excellent resource. Be sure to check out Episode 48, “Where do I Start?”. You can also follow David on Twitter.

In our conversation, David mentioned several good resources for getting started with an education in options trading. The Options Alpha courses, and Options Playbook are one he found particularly useful in his own path to success.


Have you checked out the Two Sides of FI Discord server? If you’re not familiar, this is an instant messaging social network. Ours is meant to be a community for viewers of our show, as well as a space to discuss all things relation to FIRE. It’s totally open, free of charge, and is anonymous as you’d like. This makes it a safe space to talk about financial topics you might otherwise be sensitive about sharing. Come check it out and see if it fits your interests! There are both desktop and mobile apps available.

Did you know Jason resumed blogging? To be notified of his future posts, please consider subscribing here. He’s also archived his old blog, which documents the first two years after he retired from his career, and started even before Two Sides of FI began. Get more information on those archived posts here.


You can find information on the tools we mention in each episode along with additional information in the Resources section of this site.

He Earned a Million Dollars Trading This Option Strategy

How would you like to earn $80,000 a year trading options against your existing portfolio? That’s exactly what our guest, Karsten “Big ERN” Jeske, has achieved. In today’s episode, Jason talks with Karsten about his simple SPX options trading strategy. Particularly if you’re new to options, be sure to see the show notes below for definitions, associated blog posts, and more.


Show Notes

A reminder that neither we at Two Sides or FI, nor Karsten Jeske, are providing individual investment advice. Each of us has our own circumstances, risk tolerance, and risk capacity. Options trading, while potentially lucrative, is also potentially risky given the regular use of leverage, and is therefore best suited for experienced investors. We strongly recommend the use of simulated or “paper trading” accounts (you can create one free at Interactive Brokers and Charles Schwab, among others) to learn and test strategies. You may also benefit from consultation with financial professionals.

Karsten’s Option Strategy

  • At the time this episode aired, Karsten had written eleven posts on options trading. His options landing page has links to each of these and is a great place to get started on his content after watching the episode.
  • You won’t want to miss the historical information shared in his earlier posts, but Part 10 and Part 11 encompass Karsten’s current SPX options strategy which he discussed with Jason in the video.
  • One of our favorite sections in his options series is “Aren’t you afraid of a repeat of October 1987?“, which can be found in Part 11. This contains Karsten’s analysis of daily price changes in the SPX in the context of volatility as measured by the VIX. Jason found it really useful in developing + testing his own risk model.
  • Did you miss our earlier discussion with Karsten about sequence of returns risk and safe withdrawal rate? How about our episode featuring both Karsten and Fritz Gilbert (Retirement Manifesto) to talk about the bucket strategy? Among our most most popular episodes, these are must-view 2SFI content! For more details on the SWR Toolbox and how you can use this essential tool, check out our SWR landing page for tutorials and further information.

Options Trading Definitions

If you’re new to options, the specific terminology used can be dizzying. Before we dive into definitions, beginners may want to start with this short video introducing options trading.

Below you’ll find the definitions of options terms we used in this episode, courtesy of the CBOE’s glossary. For more information, including free introductory options courses, their material is hard to beat. If you prefer a canonical document that goes into much more detail than this list of definitions, be sure to check out the Options Disclosure Document (Characteristics and Risks of Standardized Options) put out by the Options Clearing Corporation (OCC). It’s lengthy but it’s really informative, and is required reading for anyone interested in trading options. Italicized terms used in definitions are also defined below.

  • Call option: An option contract that gives the holder the right, but not the obligation, to buy an underlying asset at a certain price (strike) within a certain timeframe (on or before the expiration date). Buyers of call options pay a premium for this right. Conversely, sellers (also called writers) of call options have the obligation to sell the underlying asset at the strike price at any time prior to (American-style options) or on the expiration date (European-style options) of the contract. Sellers of call options receive a premium for writing the contract. Options contracts typically have a multiplier of 100 (i.e. one option contract = 100 shares of underlying).
  • Put option: An option contract that gives the holder the right, but not the obligation, to sell an underlying asset at a certain price (strike) within a certain timeframe (expiration). Buyers of put options pay a premium for this right. Conversely, sellers (also called writers) of put options have the obligation to buy the underlying asset at the strike price at any time prior to (American-style options) or on the expiration date (European-style options) of the contract. Sellers of put options receive a premium for writing the contract.
  • Underlying asset (or underlying): The asset, performance, or interest on which one has the right to buy or sell via the terms of a listed option contract. These are most often equity securities (like stock) or indexes (as in an index option).
  • Index option: An option whose underlying asset is an index. An index option is typically cash-settled because the index itself is not tradable. Using the example in this episode, you can’t purchase the S&P 500 index but you can trade options on it via tickers like SPX. As we discussed, SPX is a cash-settled, European-style option.
  • Strike price: The price at which an option holder may buy or sell the underlying security, as defined in the terms of the option contract. It is the price at which a call holder may exercise to buy the underlying asset or the put holder may exercise to sell the underlying asset.
  • Exercise: To invoke the right granted under the terms of an option contract. Call holders exercise to buy the underlying asset, while put holders exercise to sell the underlying asset.
  • Multiplier: The amount (most commonly 100x) specified in a cash-settled option contract by which the current underlying interest value is multiplied to arrive at the value required to be delivered upon valid exercise of the cash-settled option contract. This also applies to the premium of a contract – for example, when Karsten refers to ten cents of premium in the video, this is multiplied by 100; meaning that the options seller receives 100 x $0.10 or $10 of premium for writing that specific contract.
  • Expiration date: The day when an option contract terminates. An options holder generally must indicate their desire to exercise, if they wish to do so, on or by the expiration date. American-style options may be exercised at any point prior to expiration, while European-style options may only be exercised on the expiration date.
  • Premium: The amount paid (by the option buyer) or received (by the option seller) for an options contract.
  • “The Greeks”: Measures used in options pricing models that determine the sensitivity of an option’s price to changes in certain variables, such as the price of the underlying asset, the time to expiration, among others. Two of the Greeks we mentioned in this episode are delta and theta. For an easily understandable introduction to the five most important Greeks, here’s a great video.
  • Delta: The Greek which measures the change in the price of an option given a $1 change in the price of the underlying. For example, if an option has a delta of 0.40, then its price will theoretically move by $0.40 for every $1 change in the price of the underlying stock. A higher delta means a bigger price change. For call options, delta is between 0 and 1, and for put options, between -1 and 0.
  • Theta: The Greek which measures the change in the option price as the time to expiration approaches. Theta is also known as time decay. For example, if an option has a theta of -0.50, then if all other things are held equal, the value of the option will decrease by $0.50 each day. For more information and examples, see this video.
  • Out-of-the-money (OTM): A term describing an option that has no intrinsic value. A call option is OTM if the underlying asset price/value is below the strike price of the call, while a put option is OTM if the underlying asset price/value is higher than the strike price of the put. The opposite of these two statements defines an in-the-money (ITM) option.
  • Intrinsic value: The value of an option if it was to expire immediately. For call options, this is the difference between the price/value of the underlying and the strike price; if that difference is positive, the call option has intrinsic value, otherwise it is zero. For put options, it is the difference between the strike price and the price/value of the underlying asset; if that difference is positive, the put option has intrinsic value, otherwise it is zero.
  • Volatility: A measure of the amount by which an underlying asset is expected to fluctuate in a given period of time. Generally, volatility is measured by the annual standard deviation of the daily price changes in the asset. There are two types of volatility: historical and implied. The former is calculated using past, or historical prices of the stock. Implied volatility (or IV) is a forward-looking measure that is calculated using an option pricing model and the current option price as an input to “imply” the future volatility of the stock (we didn’t discuss it in the video, but the Greek, “vega,” describes how much the option price changes relative to changes in IV).
  • VIX: This is is the ticker symbol and the popular name for the Chicago Board Options Exchange’s (CBOE) Volatility Index, a measure of the stock market’s expectation of volatility based on S&P 500 index options. Some investors use the so-called “Rule of 16” to estimate the expected daily range of the S&P 500 based on the VIX.
  • Days to Expiration (DTE): This term refers to how many days from the present until a given option contract expires. If you trade it the day before expiry, an option contract is said to be 1 DTE. An options contract traded on the day of expiration is termed 0 DTE. Both of these contract durations were discussed in this episode.
  • Margin: Cash, cash equivalents, and securities that an investor must deposit into a brokerage account as collateral in order to use borrowed funds from their broker to trade options. In the strategy discussed in this episode, margin refers to the amount of assets the investor needs to hold to demonstrate their ability to cover potential losses.
  • Naked (or Uncovered) vs. Covered: Refers to whether the investor currently possesses (covered) or doesn’t possess (naked) an offsetting position in the underlying asset. Depending on the level of options trading permissions one has with their brokerage, an investor may or may not be able to trade naked options given their loss potential.
  • Stop orders: This is an instruction to a brokerage to buy or sell a security, ETF, options contract, etc. when that asset reaches a specific price, known as the stop price. When the stop price is reached, the stop order becomes a market order and is usually executed at the next available market price. When a stop order executes, this is commonly referred to as “being stopped out”.
  • Notional value: The value of the underlying asset at the current price. For an options contract, the notional value is the number of units of the underlying asset covered by the current price of the underlying asset. For example, if the S&P is 5500, the notional value of an SPX options contract (100x multiplier) is $5500 x 100 or $550,000.

Have you checked out the Two Sides of FI Discord server? If you’re not familiar, this is an instant messaging social network. Ours is meant to be a community for viewers of our show, as well as a space to discuss all things relation to FIRE. It’s totally open, free of charge, and is anonymous as you’d like. This makes it a safe space to talk about financial topics you might otherwise be sensitive about sharing. Come check it out and see if it fits your interests! There are both desktop and mobile apps available.

Did you know Jason resumed blogging? To be notified of his future posts, please consider subscribing here. He’s also archived his old blog, which documents the first two years after he retired from his career, and started even before Two Sides of FI began. Get more information on those archived posts here.


You can find information on the tools we mention in each episode along with additional information in the Resources section of this site.

Unexpected Reactions to My Early Retirement

Contempt, concern, derision, surprise, envy, admiration, and support; these are just a few of the reactions Laura received when she announced she was retiring early, closing her biomedical research laboratory, and beginning a new phase of life beyond work. Some reactions were expected and some took us by surprise.

In this episode, Eric and Laura unpack these interactions and chart their next steps as they prepare to leave work and step into early retirement. If you didn’t see Part 1 of this conversation, you’ll want to check out One Step Closer to FI/RE – Giving Notice.

Laura + I want to thank the Two Sides of FI community for all your comments, personal messages, and words of encouragement as we’ve been navigating this transition. Thank you for being a part of our journey!

Links + Resources

One Step Closer to FI/RE – Preparing to Give Notice

Eric here checking in with a quick update and preface to our new video. Sorry for the gap in our publishing schedule, Jason has been off walking the Camino de Santiago from Portugal to Spain (you can follow along on his blog here) and I’ve been traveling to warm places to escape winter in Maine.

In this episode I asked my wife, Laura, to join me to discuss next steps as we near our FI number. Our discussion was recorded in the fall of 2023, as a behind-the-scenes episode. Just this past week (mid-March 2024) she gave her notice to her employer of 23 years and now we can finally share it publicly. We discuss our hesitations, how Laura’s thoughts have changed since first learning about the FI/RE movement, and ready ourselves for what’s ahead.

The reactions to her departure from her long-time job have been interesting. Most express surprise and offer enthusiastic support. Some respond with envy, “Must be nice…” and even concern, “Is everything okay?” And still others immediately reframe the conversation around their own plans for retirement either near or far in the future. There’s much to unpack here and I think it’ll make for a great episode when Jason and I reconvene.

Nevertheless, sharing this experience with the Two Sides of FI community feels incredibly rewarding. We’re thrilled to openly discuss our ‘secret’ here on our Maine island and your support has been invaluable to us!

Thank you for being a part of our journey.

Links + Resources

Retired Early to USVIs, Florida, and Spain: How They Did It

This is a conversation Eric had with Jeff, a self-described: financially independent, recreationally employed realtor. He and Eric crossed paths as Eric was researching his dream of retiring to the US Virgin Islands. Jeff and his wife, a Spanish teacher, lived in St Thomas for two years making content about their life there on two YouTube channels: How2Beach and TheRetirementality offering an honest review of the pros and cons of living on a tropical island. It helped change Eric’s mind about living there too!

Jeff went from broke at 38 to financially independent at 45. He and his wife have six rental properties in total and the income from those have enabled them to move around the world as they choose. As of early 2024, they’re preparing to relocate to Spain. 


Even though Jeff took risks many aren’t willing to take, we think his story is interesting because it proves there’s no one way to reach FIRE. Not only were they able to reach FI in a few short years, they did it on modest income (a teacher’s and a realtor’s salary). So, if you’ve considered what a life outside the mainland US might look like, we know you’ll find his story interesting.

Show Notes:

Be sure to check out Jeff’s two YouTube channels:


You can find information on the tools we mention in each episode along with additional information in the Resources section of this site.

How I Plan to Retire Early on a $50K Salary

Can you retire early without a high-paying tech industry salary? In this episode, we talk with Stephen about how he plans to do just that. At 30 years old, he’s earning $50k as a higher education administrator, yet he plans to retire with at least a million dollars by his early 50s. How will he do that? Join us as we discuss his plans, the role of financial discipline, why he doesn’t feel he’s overly frugal, and the challenges of his FIRE path.

Show notes may be found below the video


Show Notes

Essential Background:
Are you newer to the show? If so, you may not have seen our first two episodes, which include a lot of background on Jason + Eric’s lives. Check out Our Financial Past and our FIRE Present and Two Careers, Two Paths to Financial Independence, to learn how we got our own start in life and in the workplace.

Stephen’s Budget: Are you interested in more details on Stephen’s financial picture? He graciously shared the Sankey diagram below, which captures his Jan-Jul 2022 income and expenses. This visualization makes it easy to see both sides of the balance sheet, and provides a lot more detail on Stephen’s finances than we were able to achieve in our conversation.

The Shockingly Simple Math Behind Early Retirement is an article by blogger Mister Money Mustache, which many cite among their most important inspirations for getting on the FIRE path. As you heard from Stephen, MMM was one of his early sources as well.

Still doubting whether FIRE is achievable on a more traditional salary? See The Millionaire Next Door (Thomas Stanley), a profoundly insightful book for a very easy read. Dr. Stanley studied wealth and the habits of the wealthy for many years, capturing his observations in this work and others. Learn how frugality, living below one’s means, and investing, truly powers the path to financial independence.

The Simple Path to Wealth (JL Collins) is widely regarded by many in the FIRE community as the most impactful book to their own journey. This fast and easily digestible read is chock-full of investment guidance that you will understand immediately and can readily apply. There is no better starting point to your FIRE journey than this book.

We didn’t dig into it, but you may have heard Stephen refer to feeling “YNAB poor” in this episode. What is YNAB? You Need a Budget is a popular budgeting tool for many in the FIRE community. If manual spreadsheets aren’t your thing or you’ve struggled with budgeting in the past, this may be a good solution. YNAB has a generous, free 34-day trial so you can see how well it works to help you understand and control spending. (affiliate link; no credit card needed )


You can find information on the tools we mention in each episode along with additional information in the Resources section of this site.