Am I Doing Retirement Wrong?

Most don’t stop to think about how much they might be missing by working “just one more year.” It’s impossible to put a price tag on some of the experiences Eric + Jason have had since leaving full time work behind. In today’s episode, they talk about things they’d never have done before retiring early, the freedom that FIRE afford, and much more. Don’t miss the show notes below for details on their work history and their journeys to financial independence.


Show Notes

Essential Background:


Have you checked out the Two Sides of FI Discord server? If you’re not familiar, this is an instant messaging social network. Ours is meant to be a community for viewers of our show, as well as a space to discuss all things relation to FIRE. It’s totally open, free of charge, and is anonymous as you’d like. This makes it a safe space to talk about financial topics you might otherwise be sensitive about sharing. Come check it out and see if it fits your interests! There are both desktop and mobile apps available.

Did you know Jason resumed blogging? To be notified of his future posts, please consider subscribing here. He’s also archived his old blog, which documents the first two years after he retired from his career, which started even before Two Sides of FI began. Get more information on those archived posts here.


Are We Hiding Something? Our Real FIRE Portfolio + Expenses

Are FIRE content creators being honest about their numbers? YouTuber Duane isn’t so sure. In this episode, Eric and Jason share detailed insights about their own FIRE numbers, portfolios, withdrawal rates, and what it actually means to be “retired.” They also explain why context matters more than a single number, and get honest about how content creation fits into their financial picture. If you’ve ever wondered how real people make FIRE work, this one’s for you.


Show Notes

Essential Background:

Empower (formerly Personal Capital) is a commonly used free tool for tracking your various investment accounts, understanding your asset allocation + rebalancing opportunities, and monitoring your net worth. PC has simple to use account linking to make it a more automated experience. Give it a try risk-free!


Have you checked out the Two Sides of FI Discord server? If you’re not familiar, this is an instant messaging social network. Ours is meant to be a community for viewers of our show, as well as a space to discuss all things relation to FIRE. It’s totally open, free of charge, and is anonymous as you’d like. This makes it a safe space to talk about financial topics you might otherwise be sensitive about sharing. Come check it out and see if it fits your interests! There are both desktop and mobile apps available.

Did you know Jason resumed blogging? To be notified of his future posts, please consider subscribing here. He’s also archived his old blog, which documents the first two years after he retired from his career, which started even before Two Sides of FI began. Get more information on those archived posts here.


Retiring (Early) in 5 Days. Am I Ready?

What’s it really like to be 5 days away from early retirement? Join Laura, a 51-year-old scientist, as she discusses her final days running her research lab. From wrestling with the “Am I really ready?” question to unexpected tears at faculty meetings to cleaning out decades of research, she opens up about the reality of choosing early retirement at the peak of her career. This isn’t just another FIRE success story – it’s a candid look at what it really feels like to step away from a meaningful career when you’re financially independent but emotionally invested.

Whether you’re questioning if early retirement is worth leaving a dream job, wrestling with your professional identity, or wondering how it feels when that last paycheck stops, her story offers inspiration and real-time insights about one of life’s biggest transitions.

Don’t miss the show notes below for key background including other conversations featuring Laura!

Show Notes

Laura + I want to thank the Two Sides of FI community for all your comments, personal messages, and words of encouragement as we’ve been navigating this transition. Thank you for being a part of our journey!

Essential Background:

  • Have you seen our other recent episodes with Laura? If not, you’ll definitely want to view:
    • The story begins with One Step Closer to FI/RE – Giving Notice. In this episode, Eric and Laura discuss their preparations as they near their FI number and Laura prepares to notify her employer that she’s leaving. Recorded in the fall of 2023, this behind-the-scenes discussion was prepared for publication the week Laura submitted her resignation notice.
    • Next we published Unexpected Reactions to My Early Retirement, Contempt, concern, surprise, envy, admiration, and support; just a few of the reactions Laura received when she announced she was retiring early, closing her biomedical research laboratory, and beginning a new phase of life beyond work. Some reactions were expected and some surprised her. In this episode, Eric and Laura unpack these interactions and chart their next steps as they prepare to leave work and step into early retirement.
    • Laura also took part in a very popular two-part series, Talking with our Spouses About FIRE: 2 x Two Sides of FI. In Part 1, Eric + Jason talk with Laura + Lorri about getting onboard with FIRE, financial topics including budgeting and setting the FI number, as well as the emotional aspects of choosing the FIRE path. In Part 2, they discuss how they share financial responsibilities, the importance of finding friend networks, talking to their children about FIRE, and their hopes for their post-FI lives.
  • Did you know that Laura and Eric recently achieved their FI goal? In Financial Independence at 50 (Finally!), Jason and Eric discuss the challenges of moving goalposts, the decision to keep running Eric’s business, 30×40 Design Workshop (on their own terms), and their plans for the future.
  • For more on the rules and practices Eric and Laura followed in order to reach their financial goals, see Our 80/20 Rules for Early Retirement: How We Did It. In this episode, Eric and Jason talk about their personal “80/20 Rules” for retiring early. That is, the decisions they made along the journey that served as key pivot points towards ensuring their achievement of financial independence.
  • A core element of Laura + Eric’s ability to achieve FI was Eric’s 30×40 Design Workshop business. If you haven’t seen our two-part series on the journey from zero to 90% income from passive sources, drop everything and check it out: Passive Income = A Path to Financial Independence (Part 1) and Lessons Learned in 7 Years Earning Passive Income – A Path to FI (Part 2). The link to Part 2 contains the show notes, which have a wealth of information provided by Eric. Don’t miss it!

Financial Independence at 50 (Finally!)

After years of planning, Eric and Laura have finally reached their FI number at 50! They discovered the FIRE movement 5 years ago and set their sights on achieving financial independence by 2024. Now, with both of their boys off to college, a paid-off home, and a 80/15/5 split between equities, fixed income and cash, they’ve officially hit their financial independence (FI) goal and plan to retire early.

In this video, they discuss the challenges of moving goalposts, their decision to keep running Eric’s business, 30X40 Design Workshop (on their own terms), and their plans for the future. Laura will be leaving her job as a research scientist in January 2025 to operate 30X40 remotely, with a goal of maintaining a flexible, time-limited schedule. They also cover practical topics like their pretax/taxable split, health insurance considerations, and their withdrawal strategy. Learn what reaching FI looks like for them, the steps they’re taking next, and what their plans are moving forward!


Show Notes

Essential Background:

We touched on a number of topics that we explored in much greater depth in earlier episodes. For the full details, you won’t want to miss these shows which paint a fuller picture of Eric and Laura’s FI path:


Have you checked out the Two Sides of FI Discord server? If you’re not familiar, this is an instant messaging social network. Ours is meant to be a community for viewers of our show, as well as a space to discuss all things relation to FIRE. It’s totally open, free of charge, and is anonymous as you’d like. This makes it a safe space to talk about financial topics you might otherwise be sensitive about sharing. Come check it out and see if it fits your interests! There are both desktop and mobile apps available.

Did you know Jason resumed blogging? To be notified of his future posts, please consider subscribing here. He’s also archived his old blog, which documents the first two years after he retired from his career, and started even before Two Sides of FI began. Get more information on those archived posts here.


You can find information on the tools we mention in each episode along with additional information in the Resources section of this site.

He Earned a Million Dollars Trading This Option Strategy

How would you like to earn $80,000 a year trading options against your existing portfolio? That’s exactly what our guest, Karsten “Big ERN” Jeske, has achieved. In today’s episode, Jason talks with Karsten about his simple SPX options trading strategy. Particularly if you’re new to options, be sure to see the show notes below for definitions, associated blog posts, and more.


Show Notes

A reminder that neither we at Two Sides or FI, nor Karsten Jeske, are providing individual investment advice. Each of us has our own circumstances, risk tolerance, and risk capacity. Options trading, while potentially lucrative, is also potentially risky given the regular use of leverage, and is therefore best suited for experienced investors. We strongly recommend the use of simulated or “paper trading” accounts (you can create one free at Interactive Brokers and Charles Schwab, among others) to learn and test strategies. You may also benefit from consultation with financial professionals.

Karsten’s Option Strategy

  • At the time this episode aired, Karsten had written eleven posts on options trading. His options landing page has links to each of these and is a great place to get started on his content after watching the episode.
  • You won’t want to miss the historical information shared in his earlier posts, but Part 10 and Part 11 encompass Karsten’s current SPX options strategy which he discussed with Jason in the video.
  • One of our favorite sections in his options series is “Aren’t you afraid of a repeat of October 1987?“, which can be found in Part 11. This contains Karsten’s analysis of daily price changes in the SPX in the context of volatility as measured by the VIX. Jason found it really useful in developing + testing his own risk model.
  • Did you miss our earlier discussion with Karsten about sequence of returns risk and safe withdrawal rate? How about our episode featuring both Karsten and Fritz Gilbert (Retirement Manifesto) to talk about the bucket strategy? Among our most most popular episodes, these are must-view 2SFI content! For more details on the SWR Toolbox and how you can use this essential tool, check out our SWR landing page for tutorials and further information.

Options Trading Definitions

If you’re new to options, the specific terminology used can be dizzying. Before we dive into definitions, beginners may want to start with this short video introducing options trading.

Below you’ll find the definitions of options terms we used in this episode, courtesy of the CBOE’s glossary. For more information, including free introductory options courses, their material is hard to beat. If you prefer a canonical document that goes into much more detail than this list of definitions, be sure to check out the Options Disclosure Document (Characteristics and Risks of Standardized Options) put out by the Options Clearing Corporation (OCC). It’s lengthy but it’s really informative, and is required reading for anyone interested in trading options. Italicized terms used in definitions are also defined below.

  • Call option: An option contract that gives the holder the right, but not the obligation, to buy an underlying asset at a certain price (strike) within a certain timeframe (on or before the expiration date). Buyers of call options pay a premium for this right. Conversely, sellers (also called writers) of call options have the obligation to sell the underlying asset at the strike price at any time prior to (American-style options) or on the expiration date (European-style options) of the contract. Sellers of call options receive a premium for writing the contract. Options contracts typically have a multiplier of 100 (i.e. one option contract = 100 shares of underlying).
  • Put option: An option contract that gives the holder the right, but not the obligation, to sell an underlying asset at a certain price (strike) within a certain timeframe (expiration). Buyers of put options pay a premium for this right. Conversely, sellers (also called writers) of put options have the obligation to buy the underlying asset at the strike price at any time prior to (American-style options) or on the expiration date (European-style options) of the contract. Sellers of put options receive a premium for writing the contract.
  • Underlying asset (or underlying): The asset, performance, or interest on which one has the right to buy or sell via the terms of a listed option contract. These are most often equity securities (like stock) or indexes (as in an index option).
  • Index option: An option whose underlying asset is an index. An index option is typically cash-settled because the index itself is not tradable. Using the example in this episode, you can’t purchase the S&P 500 index but you can trade options on it via tickers like SPX. As we discussed, SPX is a cash-settled, European-style option.
  • Strike price: The price at which an option holder may buy or sell the underlying security, as defined in the terms of the option contract. It is the price at which a call holder may exercise to buy the underlying asset or the put holder may exercise to sell the underlying asset.
  • Exercise: To invoke the right granted under the terms of an option contract. Call holders exercise to buy the underlying asset, while put holders exercise to sell the underlying asset.
  • Multiplier: The amount (most commonly 100x) specified in a cash-settled option contract by which the current underlying interest value is multiplied to arrive at the value required to be delivered upon valid exercise of the cash-settled option contract. This also applies to the premium of a contract – for example, when Karsten refers to ten cents of premium in the video, this is multiplied by 100; meaning that the options seller receives 100 x $0.10 or $10 of premium for writing that specific contract.
  • Expiration date: The day when an option contract terminates. An options holder generally must indicate their desire to exercise, if they wish to do so, on or by the expiration date. American-style options may be exercised at any point prior to expiration, while European-style options may only be exercised on the expiration date.
  • Premium: The amount paid (by the option buyer) or received (by the option seller) for an options contract.
  • “The Greeks”: Measures used in options pricing models that determine the sensitivity of an option’s price to changes in certain variables, such as the price of the underlying asset, the time to expiration, among others. Two of the Greeks we mentioned in this episode are delta and theta. For an easily understandable introduction to the five most important Greeks, here’s a great video.
  • Delta: The Greek which measures the change in the price of an option given a $1 change in the price of the underlying. For example, if an option has a delta of 0.40, then its price will theoretically move by $0.40 for every $1 change in the price of the underlying stock. A higher delta means a bigger price change. For call options, delta is between 0 and 1, and for put options, between -1 and 0.
  • Theta: The Greek which measures the change in the option price as the time to expiration approaches. Theta is also known as time decay. For example, if an option has a theta of -0.50, then if all other things are held equal, the value of the option will decrease by $0.50 each day. For more information and examples, see this video.
  • Out-of-the-money (OTM): A term describing an option that has no intrinsic value. A call option is OTM if the underlying asset price/value is below the strike price of the call, while a put option is OTM if the underlying asset price/value is higher than the strike price of the put. The opposite of these two statements defines an in-the-money (ITM) option.
  • Intrinsic value: The value of an option if it was to expire immediately. For call options, this is the difference between the price/value of the underlying and the strike price; if that difference is positive, the call option has intrinsic value, otherwise it is zero. For put options, it is the difference between the strike price and the price/value of the underlying asset; if that difference is positive, the put option has intrinsic value, otherwise it is zero.
  • Volatility: A measure of the amount by which an underlying asset is expected to fluctuate in a given period of time. Generally, volatility is measured by the annual standard deviation of the daily price changes in the asset. There are two types of volatility: historical and implied. The former is calculated using past, or historical prices of the stock. Implied volatility (or IV) is a forward-looking measure that is calculated using an option pricing model and the current option price as an input to “imply” the future volatility of the stock (we didn’t discuss it in the video, but the Greek, “vega,” describes how much the option price changes relative to changes in IV).
  • VIX: This is is the ticker symbol and the popular name for the Chicago Board Options Exchange’s (CBOE) Volatility Index, a measure of the stock market’s expectation of volatility based on S&P 500 index options. Some investors use the so-called “Rule of 16” to estimate the expected daily range of the S&P 500 based on the VIX.
  • Days to Expiration (DTE): This term refers to how many days from the present until a given option contract expires. If you trade it the day before expiry, an option contract is said to be 1 DTE. An options contract traded on the day of expiration is termed 0 DTE. Both of these contract durations were discussed in this episode.
  • Margin: Cash, cash equivalents, and securities that an investor must deposit into a brokerage account as collateral in order to use borrowed funds from their broker to trade options. In the strategy discussed in this episode, margin refers to the amount of assets the investor needs to hold to demonstrate their ability to cover potential losses.
  • Naked (or Uncovered) vs. Covered: Refers to whether the investor currently possesses (covered) or doesn’t possess (naked) an offsetting position in the underlying asset. Depending on the level of options trading permissions one has with their brokerage, an investor may or may not be able to trade naked options given their loss potential.
  • Stop orders: This is an instruction to a brokerage to buy or sell a security, ETF, options contract, etc. when that asset reaches a specific price, known as the stop price. When the stop price is reached, the stop order becomes a market order and is usually executed at the next available market price. When a stop order executes, this is commonly referred to as “being stopped out”.
  • Notional value: The value of the underlying asset at the current price. For an options contract, the notional value is the number of units of the underlying asset covered by the current price of the underlying asset. For example, if the S&P is 5500, the notional value of an SPX options contract (100x multiplier) is $5500 x 100 or $550,000.

Have you checked out the Two Sides of FI Discord server? If you’re not familiar, this is an instant messaging social network. Ours is meant to be a community for viewers of our show, as well as a space to discuss all things relation to FIRE. It’s totally open, free of charge, and is anonymous as you’d like. This makes it a safe space to talk about financial topics you might otherwise be sensitive about sharing. Come check it out and see if it fits your interests! There are both desktop and mobile apps available.

Did you know Jason resumed blogging? To be notified of his future posts, please consider subscribing here. He’s also archived his old blog, which documents the first two years after he retired from his career, and started even before Two Sides of FI began. Get more information on those archived posts here.


You can find information on the tools we mention in each episode along with additional information in the Resources section of this site.

Our 80/20 Rules for Early Retirement: How We Did It


“If you are not aggressive, you are not going to make money, and if you are not defensive, you are not going to keep money” (Ray Dalio). In this episode, Eric and Jason talk about their personal “80/20 Rules” for retiring early. That is, the decisions they made along the journey that served as key pivot points towards ensuring their achievement of financial independence.


Show Notes

Essential Background:

We touched on quite a few topics that we explored in much greater depth in earlier episodes. For the full details, you won’t want to miss these shows which paint a fuller picture of our FI paths:


Have you checked out the Two Sides of FI Discord server? If you’re not familiar, this is an instant messaging social network. Ours is meant to be a community for viewers of our show, as well as a space to discuss all things relation to FIRE. It’s totally open, free of charge, and is anonymous as you’d like. This makes it a safe space to talk about financial topics you might otherwise be sensitive about sharing. Come check it out and see if it fits your interests! There are both desktop and mobile apps available.

Did you know Jason resumed blogging? To be notified of his future posts, please consider subscribing here. He’s also archived his old blog, which documents the first two years after he retired from his career, and started even before Two Sides of FI began. Get more information on those archived posts here.


You can find information on the tools we mention in each episode along with additional information in the Resources section of this site.

When is Enough, Enough? Working After Financial Independence

Why would anyone continue to work for money after they’ve achieved financial independence? In this episode, Eric and Jason discuss this common practice, including why Jason and Lorri currently have part-time jobs post-FI. Topics covered include de-risking retirement, charitable giving, skill-building, and more.


Show Notes

Essential Background:


Have you checked out the Two Sides of FI Discord server? If you’re not familiar, this is an instant messaging social network. Ours is meant to be a community for viewers of our show, as well as a space to discuss all things relation to FIRE. It’s totally open, free of charge, and is anonymous as you’d like. This makes it a safe space to talk about financial topics you might otherwise be sensitive about sharing. Come check it out and see if it fits your interests! There are both desktop and mobile apps available.

Did you know Jason resumed blogging? To be notified of his future posts, please consider subscribing here. He’s also archived his old blog, which documents the first two years after he retired from his career, and started even before Two Sides of FI began. Get more information on those archived posts here.


You can find information on the tools we mention in each episode along with additional information in the Resources section of this site.

Retired Early to USVIs, Florida, and Spain: How They Did It

This is a conversation Eric had with Jeff, a self-described: financially independent, recreationally employed realtor. He and Eric crossed paths as Eric was researching his dream of retiring to the US Virgin Islands. Jeff and his wife, a Spanish teacher, lived in St Thomas for two years making content about their life there on two YouTube channels: How2Beach and TheRetirementality offering an honest review of the pros and cons of living on a tropical island. It helped change Eric’s mind about living there too!

Jeff went from broke at 38 to financially independent at 45. He and his wife have six rental properties in total and the income from those have enabled them to move around the world as they choose. As of early 2024, they’re preparing to relocate to Spain. 


Even though Jeff took risks many aren’t willing to take, we think his story is interesting because it proves there’s no one way to reach FIRE. Not only were they able to reach FI in a few short years, they did it on modest income (a teacher’s and a realtor’s salary). So, if you’ve considered what a life outside the mainland US might look like, we know you’ll find his story interesting.

Show Notes:

Be sure to check out Jeff’s two YouTube channels:


You can find information on the tools we mention in each episode along with additional information in the Resources section of this site.

Comparing our FIRE Portfolios + Asset Allocations (Part 2)

Choosing how to divide your assets among stocks, bonds, and other investment vehicles is a good first step, but asset allocation also impacts your tax rate, portfolio performance, and long-term ease of maintaining it all. In part two, Eric and Jason dig further into their own portfolios from their respective sides of FI and discuss the role of bonds, risk, tools you can use to assess your portfolio and model performance, rebalancing, and an interesting – not often discussed – case for financial advisors.

Did you miss Part 1? Check it out here.

Note: This content does not constitute investment advice and is being presented for informational and educational purposes only.


Show Notes

Portfolio Charts offers a wealth of different portfolio visualization tools and calculators for deeper analysis of your asset allocation, and other personal finance elements. As Eric mentioned in the episode, you’re not likely to find another resource with so many different visualizations available.

Morningstar is perhaps best known as a resource for analysis + ratings for mutual funds. However, the site also has a variety of tools for portfolio analysis and exploration. Some functionality is provided free of charge, while others come with a premium subscription. Importantly, the latter is offered as a 14-day free trial so you can readily use these tools to analyze your asset allocation and then cancel without risk prior to billing.

Big ERN’s SWR Spreadsheet (Early Retirement Now) is a comprehensive planning tool largely aimed at investigating safe withdrawal rate. In line with Big ERN’s standard approach, this is a resource aimed at those desiring detailed, quantitative analysis, and is a bit more “in the weeds”. But having the ability to input your asset allocation along and projected rates of return, is vital to do truly informed modeling. Other tools may be easier starting points, but this one has lots of power when you’re ready to dig deeper.

M1 Pies (M1 Finance) are one of the visualizations Eric discussed to reference the investment approaches of others in the personal finance community, like JL Collins and Paula Pant, which we talked about in Part 1. These are M1 Finance’s flagship portfolio tool, allowing you to see the asset allocations of others and potentially invest in the same approaches.

cFIREsim – This popular tool is the “Crowdsourced Financial Independence and Retire Early Simulator”. cFIREsim is among our favorite sites for performing Monte Carlo analysis of a given FIRE strategy. While you can get started with just a handful of simple parameters, this site is extremely flexible and will allow you to do more complex modeling if that is of interest.

Portfolio Visualizer is a site containing a variety of modeling tools, including the one linked here which allows one to backtest different portfolio asset allocations. While past results are not necessarily predictive of future returns, this approach does allow one to understand the merit + drawbacks of various asset allocations. One useful approach this enables is to compare the performance of your current portfolio vs. a variety of others of your construction.


You can find information on the tools we mention in each episode along with additional information in the Resources section of this site.

Talking with our Spouses About FIRE: 2 x Two Sides of FI (Parts 1 and 2)

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Part 2:

Talking with a spouse or partner about FIRE isn’t always easy. In this two-part series, Eric + Jason bring their wives Laura + Lorri into the conversation to share their personal experiences. In part 1, they talk about getting onboard with FIRE, financial topics including budgeting and setting the FI number, as well as the emotional aspects of choosing the FIRE path. In part 2, they discuss how they share financial responsibilities, the importance of finding friend networks, talking to their children about FIRE, and their hopes for their post-FI lives.


Show Notes

After recording this episode, Jason realized just how right Lorri was regarding his (non-)efforts to make friends in their new town. That got him thinking about some of the events of the past year, leading him to write a blog post on the topic. We think it’s a good accompaniment to the conversation in these episodes and hope you enjoy it. Do you have any thoughts on making friends in a new town? Please share them in the comments!

A fun story for you (not so much fun for us!) – you may have seen the earlier picture of all four of us together, in one place. That, along with this episode’s thumbnail, was a real photo from Jason + Lorri’s visit to Eric + Laura’s house in Maine – not photoshopped! Naturally you’re wondering why this episode was recorded in our usual remote format vs. in person. Well…we did record two hours of content when we were all together in Maine. However, a few technical issues meant that we decided not to use that footage. It still exists and perhaps will take on a new life someday as outtakes or otherwise. We’re really happy with how this two-part series turned out despite it being in our usual remote format, and hope you enjoy it too!

You can find information on the tools we mention in each episode along with additional information in the Resources section of this site. To navigate to this material at any time, just click the menu button at the top of any page on the site.